 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50656] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 00:10  |
Joja
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Deity of Love, Loyalty, Diplomacy & Nature
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The sun slowly disappears in the west.
House War Weekend is finished. Congratulations to Crusader!
Next weekend's House war will be between Ancient and Light.
House raid statistics for the past 2 celestial days:
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House Ancient
- has raided 6 time(s) against other houses (6 with enemy defenders present.)
- has been raided 1 time(s) (1 with defenders present.)
- was raided 1 time(s) by houses, 0 by clans, 0 by unhoused.
House Light
- has raided 3 time(s) against other houses (3 with enemy defenders present.)
- has been raided 26 time(s) (11 with defenders present.)
- was raided 22 time(s) by houses, 0 by clans, 4 by unhoused.
House Crusader
- has raided 16 time(s) against other houses (14 with enemy defenders present.)
- has been raided 12 time(s) (11 with defenders present.)
- was raided 7 time(s) by houses, 0 by clans, 5 by unhoused.
House Legion
- has raided 0 time(s) against other houses (0 with enemy defenders present.)
- has been raided 1 time(s) (0 with defenders present.)
- was raided 0 time(s) by houses, 0 by clans, 1 by unhoused.
House Conclave
- has raided 5 time(s) against other houses (5 with enemy defenders present.)
- has been raided 13 time(s) (13 with defenders present.)
- was raided 12 time(s) by houses, 1 by clans, 0 by unhoused.
House item statistics for the past 2 celestial days:
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Light's item was down 279 ticks (212 defended, 67 undefended).
- dropped by House Ancient 6 time(s)
- dropped by House Brethren 2 time(s)
Crusader's item was down 424 ticks (18 defended, 406 undefended).
- dropped by House Brethren 1 time(s)
- dropped by House Conclave 4 time(s)
Conclave's item was down 205 ticks (200 defended, 5 undefended).
- dropped by House Crusader 10 time(s)
House Conclave item holder statistics for the past 2 celestial days:
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- Camulos (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 0 ticks (5s total time)
- Garkum (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 10 ticks (8m and 20s total time)
- Nothos (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 4 ticks (2m and 52s total time)
- Korrick (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 8 ticks (4m and 32s total time)
House Crusader item holder statistics for the past 2 celestial days:
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- Uilleam (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 42 ticks (29m and 3s total time)
- Nothos (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 35 ticks (24m and 32s total time)
- Virajhari (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 118 ticks (1h, 21m, and 46s total time)
- Zilathy (of House Conclave) possessed the item for 185 ticks (2h, 8m, and 52s total time)
- Vinnesh (of House Conclave) possessed the item for 17 ticks (11m and 26s total time)
- Zyrephia (of House Brethren) possessed the item for 83 ticks (57m and 54s total time)
- Xirliik (of House Brethren) possessed the item for 56 ticks (39m and 3s total time)
House Brethren item holder statistics for the past 2 celestial days:
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- Lorelei (of House Light) possessed the item for 117 ticks (1h, 21m, and 2s total time)
- Virajhari (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 6 ticks (3m and 58s total time)
- Nothos (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 13 ticks (8m and 59s total time)
- Ashengar (of House Brethren) possessed the item for 3 ticks (2m and 0s total time)
- Nyrisia (Unhoused) possessed the item for 43 ticks (30m and 11s total time)
- Uilleam (of House Crusader) possessed the item for 15 ticks (10m and 21s total time)
Okay, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but something's not right with the results based on the stats as I understand them. I'm seeing the Gauntlet down for 424 ticks and the Cube down for 205 ticks, which means the Gauntlet was down longer than the Cube was. Wouldn't that mean that Conclave should have won?
Now the Cube was down at the end of the weekend, the Gauntlet was not. Is that the deciding factor?
I grabbed those stats at midnight just after the House War Weekend ended so they should have been accurate.
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| Re: 8th Weekend Results: Conclave vs Crusader [message #50657] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 00:15  |
Sai (retired)
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the Elemental Hero
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That would..change things abit...
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50659] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 00:27 |
Sai (retired)
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the Elemental Hero
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I thought the forum exploded XD
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50661] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 01:49 |
Aquilinus (retired)
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the Heroine of Magical Transference, ArchWizardess of Dawn
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I dont want to argue the results or anything, but I do feel that there has been an error in the coding. Only reason being that I am sure that Aquilinus was standing over the Gauntlet at Conclaves altar for nearly 3 cellestial hours. Heh. Its not a big deal, but if there is an error...
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50662] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 01:54 |
Camulos (retired)
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the Sword Breaker
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It may, I think, depend on how many ticks the Gauntlet was down at Brethren's altar wouldn't it? Or does that not play into account?
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50664] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 07:02 |
Vinnesh (retired)
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Hope of the Magi
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Saders item was down for longer than Conclave's item. By a ratio of 2:1 at least. Not to mention the number of defended ticks. We won this war weekend, even if the Code says we didn't.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50665] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 08:02 |
Xandor (retired)
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the Hero of Magical Transference
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Ok, I previewed the other results...this may be an option, I am no coder or nor do I know how it was coded, but yes Crusader's was down longer then Conclave's, but look at the defended ticks? Maybe the winner as the past 7 weeks is determined first by how many ticks its down defended, aside from undefended.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50666] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 08:22 |
Vinnesh (retired)
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Hope of the Magi
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No dice. That encourages quitting out as soon as you lose your item and not logging in throughout the weekend.
For most of the defended time it means someone of the House was around to try to get the Item, but failed to. Undefended means when their item was taken, they bailed and quit out.
Which one makes more sense?
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50667] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 08:35 |
Xandor (retired)
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the Hero of Magical Transference
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It makes sense in a way, but it also doesn't include the times when perhaps nobody is on and its taken and set down. But I know this house war thing is to encourage house play on weekends, so yeah you are correct. Doesn't even stop someone who is unhoused from raiding for it and dropping it on opposing houses altar when neither house is around...Heh.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50668] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 08:36 |
Xandor (retired)
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the Hero of Magical Transference
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And I was just going off of looking at the 7 past weekends to see how it all played out and coincidence or not, but the house's item with the most defended ticks down lost. Only whoever coded it can answer this really...
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50669] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 08:38 |
Xandor (retired)
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the Hero of Magical Transference
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Or maybe 206+ of those ticks down on the Gauntlet were from Brethren. Giving the Crusader's downing the cube 205 ticks the win...
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50670] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 08:59 |
Vinnesh (retired)
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Hope of the Magi
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Xurinos
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the Ebb and Flow of Chaos
It is true at first glance that the Weekend House Wars are about PK. Peel back that thin layer just slightly, and you will see that winning the Weekend House Wars requires strategies beyond just killing people. The only measure of success is that the enemy's House relic is down the longest, removing their influence the longest. It can be down at any altar. Anyone may participate, knowing that their actions will help one of the two warring Houses win the prize. This opens the way for alliances between nonwarring Houses, favor exchanges, and so forth. The whole week before the weekend could also be filled with this RP and PK, giving one of the two warring Houses an advantage when the counts start midnight Friday
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This would tell me that whoever's item is down the longest loses. Which means we should have won. It does not indicate whose item is down at midnight sunday wins. So we win.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50671] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 09:33 |
Joja
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Deity of Love, Loyalty, Diplomacy & Nature
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The "item down" section regarding defended/undefended means whether the item down at the altar has player company. Defended - someone is there to repel a retrieval. Undefended - retriever has nobody to prevent a retrieval.
Defended/undefended raids are covered in the raids section of the report (first section reported).
The numbers imply that most of the time the Gauntlet was down, nobody was standing guard over it.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50672] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 09:40 |
Joja
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Deity of Love, Loyalty, Diplomacy & Nature
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So I guess we're wondering if the main importance is having an item down defended instead of an item down undefended.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50673] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 10:09 |
Alrec
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Lord of Redemption
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I'd question that a bit Joja, as I watched numerous members of Conclave sitting with the item. Vinnesh, Anlugovald, and Aquilinus to say the least. And I know that was for more than 18 ticks. I'm thinking the undefended means there were no members of the house whose item was down on at the time. So for 18 ticks there was a crusader on when their item was down, and for 406 ticks there were no crusaders around while their item was down.
Can we can get some clarification. But from my observation that is the case and not how it was stated previously.
Just at thought. So perhaps it makes a difference that only 18 ticks were the Crusaders without their powers, as there were none around to lose their powers the rest of the time?
I'm with Conclave on this though, it's not their fault Crusaders weren't around during that time.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50675] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 11:23 |
Joja
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Deity of Love, Loyalty, Diplomacy & Nature
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I reckon this'll all make some sense when we see what the numbers really mean. If ticks down is the only deciding factor then I agree that Conclave should have the glory of the win plus the favor of the gods' stat enhancers.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50676] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 11:58 |
Garkum (retired)
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Warlord of the Crusades, the Squatter
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The game code got disoriented by my skullbashing. *snickers*
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50679] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 12:56 |
Korrick (retired)
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the Knight Hero, Bearer of Conscience, Leader of the Neverending Crusades
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I had a post, but didn't read far enough down to see it was all covered.
-Sean
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50681] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 13:24 |
Xurinos
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the Ebb and Flow of Chaos
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Ah yes... Contrary to what I had said before, there IS a mistake in the code in that house downs are only counted when a member of the House is on. So you could indeed theoretically not play, which would give your House an advantage. This is terrible, and I apologize for that.
Fixing the code now. I will also switch around the winners for this round, since it is obvious. The numbers I see in our database match up nicely with the defended vs undefended stuff, so clearly Conclave should have won.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50682] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 13:27 |
Sai (retired)
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the Elemental Hero
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I would think the Crusades would be good and breaking Codes *ba-dum-chink*
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50683] |
Mon, 08 February 2010 13:27 |
Xurinos
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the Ebb and Flow of Chaos
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It does not matter where the House relic is down, so long as it is down at an altar that is not its own. This allows Legion and Brethren to shake things up if they wish, for example.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50714] |
Tue, 09 February 2010 05:10 |
Xandor (retired)
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the Hero of Magical Transference
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If I am getting what your saying Xuri, I just don't see that kinda as correct. So the houses in the war weekend, it doesn't matter what house takes the item and puts it down it still counts towards their loss? Just kinda ruins the point of a 1 v 1 house war. I mean if we are looking to promote allied houses and mayhaps even 2 v 2 house wars it should be such. Because if Conclave is getting their ass kicked by Sader then Brethren rolls around and destroys Sader and puts item down for many ticks...and Clave wins due to that? Just my thoughts.
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| Re: 8th Weekend: Conclave vs Crusader Results [message #50722] |
Tue, 09 February 2010 09:46 |
Xurinos
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the Ebb and Flow of Chaos
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This House alliance thing is where the RP comes in. Yes, Brethren could help Conclave against Crusader if they chose.
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